Mot To Have 22 New Checks

[NI_Volvo_Nut]

This will be an interesting one for some cars (like the 98 spec jap Integras) where they dont come with self levellers or a cleaning device Or do they get a by-ball being like that from factory?

Certainly all sounds like a complete pain in the rectum, but probably does just sound worse than it is...

Construction and use says it has to have them, so it has to have them, should've have passed SVA if they don't tbh

I appreciate the need for safety, and agree all cars should be road leagl and operating correctly.

But bloody hell. soon be time to start buying a new car every 4 years,lol.

And as mentioned above if the do-nuts behind the wheel were giving as strict of testing, the roads would be far safer.

Catch a grip ffs, this is basic servicing stuff, anything out side that is illegal mods

Apologies for what may be a stupid question.. MIL ? what does this mean.

Tyre pressure monitoring systems, I have this installed on my car, however have aftermarket wheels fitted, so didnt get the sensors swapped from the standard wheels, the dash light is on, so obviously removing the bulb would be the best bet probably?
How can they check the Tyre pressure monitoring system?

Also, what is the craic with a sun strip to legal level on the glass (The wee A with an arrow beside it ) Doesnt come back sun visor at all, rather pointles maybe in some peoples opinions. (Again i know the sun strip is a grey area and i dont want to open a can of worms everywhere!)

MIL - Malfunction Indicator Light
Tyre pressure monitor systems if fitted have to work, I don't know the ins and outs yet
Sunstrip will remain the same, not inside the wiper sweep

What does this refer to goods vehicles only? And what does it mean?

The law was changed recently (god knows why) to allow goods vehicles to have tinted side windows, I think it was a loop hole

You would think so, but it's rarely the case. I bought a car recently which was test a week prior. Handbrake didn't work. Rear subframe bushes were obliterated. Holes in the sills. Bottom arm bush in the front was hanging out of it. Track rod ends in both sides were funked. Spare tire was down to the canvas. Horn didn't work. Brake lights were blown and only the 3rd brake light on the spoiler worked. There was other small things, but they all added up to 1 big ball ache.

The car was bought real cheap though, and anything I felt it needed straight away, it got, but it just shows that an MOT cert means very little to a cars actual condition and that a car shouldn't be bought on the strength of it unless your willing to work on it...

Valid on the day of the test! States it on the cert, take a read though the testers manual, its a minimum standard test, you'll get your eyes opened!

 

[syecadelic]

Construction and use says it has to have them, so it has to have them, should've have passed SVA if they don't tbh

Catch a grip ffs, this is basic servicing stuff, anything out side that is illegal mods

MIL - Malfunction Indicator Light
Tyre pressure monitor systems if fitted have to work, I don't know the ins and outs yet
Sunstrip will remain the same, not inside the wiper sweep

Shorter wiper blades will be bought : ) LOL, thanks

 

[NI_Volvo_Nut]

Shorter wiper blades will be bought : ) LOL, thanks

Wee thing that I like to use..... Insufficent swept area

 

[DaddyCC]

Construction and use says it has to have them, so it has to have them, should've have passed SVA if they don't tbh

I know you've still to get the training and full in's and out's, but id like to think there'd be some form of leeway if they've been in the country and SVA'd/MOT'd like that before. Time shall tell.

Wee thing that I like to use..... Insufficent swept area

LOL, you're a harsh oul ballix arent ye

 

[syecadelic]

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Wee thing that I like to use..... Insufficent swept area

Does that mean the little A with arrow on the windshield is completely pointless :/

 

[Nicky]

Valid on the day of the test! States it on the cert, take a read though the testers manual, its a minimum standard test, you'll get your eyes opened!

That's exactly it... But in this instance, I would say she was tested through the back door. I do a brave bit of mechanicing, so knew exactly what I was buying and I got it cheap enough, so wasn't gona start a **** storm and risk someone's job over the head of it...

 

[Karlos Da Jackle]

Catch a grip ffs, this is basic servicing stuff, anything out side that is illegal mods

!

There are a serious lot of electrics and computers on todays car. And as every little light has to be working and functional. How is that basic servicing.?

I know the Engine mangement light kept coming on on a skoda fabia 1.4td my mun had. Only 3 years old. Was at skoda more times than enough, could never find a problem. Ha dthe car at OBD in Ballymena and still couldn't get it sorted. Such a basic problem the Skoda and OBD couldn't sort it.

I could dodge about the basics of a car but when electrics come into play, i'm lost.

Traded the car in with the problem, to get rid of it.

It's becoming very very strict, I have no quams with a car being safe. But advisory notes could be handed out, for things like a fused light as opposed to fails. last tiem I was took my mums car through, failed on a headligh beam, took my fail but the guy was decent enough, let me drive down the shop, grab a buld, back up and he passed me, Little more leeway would be nice. or less knobs of testers, Not including you of course.

I just think yoru a knob full stop,lol.

To be fair, it would be handy to have you as the mechanic as you could do the Pre MOt check and work.

 

[NI_Volvo_Nut]

I know you've still to get the training and full in's and out's, but id like to think there'd be some form of leeway if they've been in the country and SVA'd/MOT'd like that before. Time shall tell.

LOL, you're a harsh oul ballix arent ye

Its a question I'll ask when I get my training.....

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Does that mean the little A with arrow on the windshield is completely pointless :/

For MOT yes, due to the felt spec'ers ripping the arse out of it, its how its been decided to be addressed

That's exactly it... But in this instance, I would say she was tested through the back door. I do a brave bit of mechanicing, so knew exactly what I was buying and I got it cheap enough, so wasn't gona start a **** storm and risk someone's job over the head of it...

If it was that bad in your opinion, you should have, some of the ***** that the managers decide is ok is unbeliveable, I seen a Corsa with very little left of the spare wheel well, and was declared as roadworthy.

There are a serious lot of electrics and computers on todays car. And as every little light has to be working and functional. How is that basic servicing.?

I know the Engine mangement light kept coming on on a skoda fabia 1.4td my mun had. Only 3 years old. Was at skoda more times than enough, could never find a problem. Ha dthe car at OBD in Ballymena and still couldn't get it sorted. Such a basic problem the Skoda and OBD couldn't sort it.

I could dodge about the basics of a car but when electrics come into play, i'm lost.

Traded the car in with the problem, to get rid of it.

It's becoming very very strict, I have no quams with a car being safe. But advisory notes could be handed out, for things like a fused light as opposed to fails. last tiem I was took my mums car through, failed on a headligh beam, took my fail but the guy was decent enough, let me drive down the shop, grab a buld, back up and he passed me, Little more leeway would be nice. or less knobs of testers, Not including you of course.

I just think yoru a knob full stop,lol.

To be fair, it would be handy to have you as the mechanic as you could do the Pre MOt check and work.

I refine from posting my opinion of you, however, headlight not working results in headlight test not being conducted, while you may be capable enough to fit a bulb, some 80 year old with a new shape Megane couldn't, so its a fail.

Engine light as far as I'm aware isn't a testable item yet, there's too many reasons as to why it may come on, SRS / ABS / TC lights in my opinion should all be check at time of servicing, maybe not fixed, but the owners should be made aware of why the lights are on and the issues it may cause.

So you'd like more leeway, its a minimum standard test, would you like a cert for attendance just?

 

[Karlos Da Jackle]

I refine from posting my opinion of you, however, headlight not working results in headlight test not being conducted, while you may be capable enough to fit a bulb, some 80 year old with a new shape Megane couldn't, so its a fail.

Engine light as far as I'm aware isn't a testable item yet, there's too many reasons as to why it may come on, SRS / ABS / TC lights in my opinion should all be check at time of servicing, maybe not fixed, but the owners should be made aware of why the lights are on and the issues it may cause.

So you'd like more leeway, its a minimum standard test, would you like a cert for attendance just?

I know your opinion of me. Every shady post I make you like to take a dig at. As in regards to car maybe being a bit off, or on road wortyness or on DVLA stuff.

I know i'm a bit of a c0ck. But i'm happy,lol.

And before you ask. No this isn't j44 ffs.

I'd prefer a Gold star for attendance.

 

[bawheid]

Ffs people, no need to be getting ratty, it's only a minimal standard test, any half decent vehicle should be able to pass it.

Regarding a question someone asked about a 98 jap integra and HID headlights, it will need a cleaning system (washers), it will not require self levelling as it will have 'sports suspension'.......

 

[Nicky]

apart from that it was as good as new

Otherwise, yes. It was a sound driving motor with a great engine and gearbox. Rear subframe bushes were around £24, track rod ends were £7 each, handbrake needed pulled up in the hub, brake lights bulbs were about 30p each and the front bush was around £12. All in all, a cheap fix, but they definitely should have been done pre-test...

Id like to think that you could report it cause clearly it never deteriorated that much in a week!

I could have, given that the inspector number is on the cert and all the rest, but I figured I would just do what needed done to it and drive on at it considering it was all sorted in a couple of hours (subframe bushes taking the longest to do at around 1.5 hours). No point getting someone the chop from their job in this day and age. I'll just be sure to ask for him next year

 

[Souleh]

I could have, given that the inspector number is on the cert and all the rest, but I figured I would just do what needed done to it and drive on at it considering it was all sorted in a couple of hours (subframe bushes taking the longest to do at around 1.5 hours). No point getting someone the chop from their job in this day and age. I'll just be sure to ask for him next year

Thats grand seeing youre handy etc. If the mrs or mum came home with a total lemon that she thought was fine due to being MOT'd the previous day then id be wanting answers!

 

[Eager]

Construction and use says it has to have them, so it has to have them, should've have passed SVA if they don't tbh

Well sure my car passed a MOT just a month or so ago, and as it was over 10 years old all was required was a MOT. Its now registered and legal. As i said earlier in this thread its a jap import with factory HID headlight, factory bumpers, no leveler or wash system.

 

[bawheid]

Well sure my car passed a MOT just a month or so ago, and as it was over 10 years old all was required was a MOT. Its now registered and legal. As i said earlier in this thread its a jap import with factory HID headlight, factory bumpers, no leveler or wash system.

These new items come into effect from 1st January 2012, although there is a 3 month grace period, so will fail for no headlight wqshers after 1st April 2012

 

[danthevanman]

Only heard about this today, so have looking into it and found the below document
http://mottesters.co.uk/files/specia...n%20Manual.pdf

Looks like all aftermarket steering wheels which have replaced an air bagged wheel will be a fail , looks like i'll have to re-install the whole loom, boxes and wheel again
Dan

 

[seanbob]

The cost of keeping vehicles road-worthy in Northern Ireland could increase dramatically if changes to MOT tests come into effect.

Environment Minister Alex Attwood's plan — which is now out for consultation — comprises 22 extra checks to be implemented early next year.

Vehicle examination in Northern Ireland is already particularly stringent compared to elsewhere in the UK and Europe.

But the new proposals would mean further tests on, among other things, power-steering indicators, tyre pressure monitoring systems and electrical sockets for trailers.

Questions are also being asked as to why the testing of cars and commercial vehicles has to be made tougher in Northern Ireland, particularly in the current economic climate.

Mr Attwood said the MOT test had seen few changes since its introduction in 1975 despite advances in vehicle technology.

“Modern vehicles incorporate many more electrical safety systems and the European Commission has decided that these should now be included in the MOT test,” Mr Attwood said.

Bernard McClure from the Driver Vehicle Agency said the main thrust of the initiative centres on road safety with, for example, brake efficiency being increased from 50% to 58%.

“The MOT test has been £30.50 for many years and we are not proposing to increase it,” he said.

“I don't dispute that there may be an increased cost to the motorist, but the essential issue here is road safety.”

Mr McClure said most garages have the equipment to diagnose the problems which need to be fixed in order for a car to get its MOT.

“I can't see this putting smaller garages (which don't have expensive diagnostic equipment) out of business,” he said.

Glenn Ewing, owner of Greenaway Auto Electrics, said test centres in Northern Ireland are much stricter than elsewhere in the UK, meaning that cars are in much better order.

He said: “From our point of view, it would mean spending more money on new diagnostic equipment and it would take a lot of increased business to make that up.”

However, Keith Peat from the Association of British Drivers said the plan would put extra strain on the majority of drivers in Northern Ireland with vehicles over four years old.

“On this list I've counted at least eight items that are as old as the Giant's Causeway,” he said.

“We've managed quite well without testing them up to now, so the question is, why now?”

It is planned that the new test will be carried out on an advisory basis from February 1 to April 30, 2012. The changes to the test are set to become fully effective on May 1, 2012.

Factfile

Some of the proposed 22 new requirements:

Hazard warning lamps and dashboard information lights; headlamp main beam; high intensity discharge headlamps, washing and levelling system; electrical socket for trailers; steering, suspension, brake and transmission dust covers/gaiters; steering wheel locking mechanism; electronic power steering and malfunction indicator lamp; steering and brake fluid levels; electronic parking brake and electronic braking systems malfunction indicator lamp; electronic stability control system; additional braking devices; tyre pressure monitoring systems; supplementary restraint systems; driver’s seat adjustment mechanism; tow-bar assembly; emission control systems, an increase of brake efficiency for cars first used on or after December 31, 2011 (from 50% to 58%).

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Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/motoring/new-mot-test-will-drive-up-cost-of-keeping-a-car-16077903.html#ixzz1dxwjDKuL​

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Don't really know what to say apart from the fact that nothing surprises me anymore in NI ​

 

[Karlos Da Jackle]

Already being discussed mate.

It's just basic servicing FFS.

http://www.reallymeansounds.com/forum/threads/mot-to-have-22-new-checks.127785/

On the other hand, maybe not,lol basic for mechanically qualified people, but not amateurs or old people.

What you worried about, your old man will keep you right,lol.

Ps stock pile some rears for the BM so we can do some road marking at xmas.

 

[Graham2]

I don't see an issue with any of it to be honest.

 

[seanbob]

Already being discussed mate.

It's just basic servicing FFS.

http://www.reallymeansounds.com/forum/threads/mot-to-have-22-new-checks.127785/

On the other hand, maybe not,lol basic for mechanically qualified people, but not amateurs or old people.

What you worried about, your old man will keep you right,lol.

Ps stock pile some rears for the BM so we can do some road marking at xmas.

Dammit - MOT wasn't long enough to perform the search DaddyC

Boss, the BM is already tucked up indoors for winter - she'll be back out next Easter!

 

[RCT]

I don't see an issue with any of it to be honest.

Neither do I but you be amazed how many people do check their brakes, tyres etc as that costs money. The annoying thing is people will pay big money and ask no questions for other modifications/cleaning cars before general servicing repairs, even to a mechanic as a homer, where they gurn about price!

 

[seanbob]

Why does NI feel it has to set a MOT precedence? It's already far more stricter than the rest of the UK which has a far larger number of cars per population of every kind!

This is nothing but politics and wasting money. Money which noone has.

 

[pablo]

no issue here either. aibag lights will be a big one I guess. can be very expensive to put right.

 

[Coog]

Threads merged.

Are MOT's really stricter here? Surely the checks are pretty much the same.

 

[pablo]

Why does NI feel it has to set a MOT precedence? It's already far more stricter than the rest of the UK which has a far larger number of cars per population of every kind!

This is nothing but politics and wasting money. Money which noone has.

to keep useless people in jobs of course

 

[davecoupe]

They seem to be adding things that affect modifications more than anything. And why does the government want to check if the ESP is working on a car, does that mean they think we are all crap drivers and need electronics to help us to drive our cars? why dont they just devise a harder test? Why do they want to check if the seat mechanism is working, what if it is a fixed bucket?

Ive no issue with cars being made safer but it will affect me, the steering wheel and HID's (I flushed the gammy looking plastic washers off) will fail on the 200.