What cars of today and recent years do people reckon in the future will be the retro cars that everyone wants. People loving the AE86, E30 BMW's etc so what do we have now that people will pay silly money for in 20 years time ?
Williams Clio, or 16v clio 205 1.9gti's, or even 1.6's Hot hatches To be fair, pretty hard to answer, like you have to answer the 1st question, of what car will they stop making, rather than evolving. Then comes the one, of what will be an icon or worth dosh. These days most manufactures just seem to streamline the old design, most things the same just cosmetically different. Like the reason of the ae86, or twincams, it was the diffing/drifting era that made them famous, and worth dosh. As seanbobs signature used to say 'move over plastic fantastic, old skool is coming thru', lol, that was in reference to back in the 90's, was all big mad kits, in the 2000's, it is all more subtle and power.
Fast Fords, M-series BMWs, Lotus/VX220s, R32s. Anything fast plus some of the weird stuff like Nissan Cubes maybe.
Aaaaaa very good shout. I can see old e36 M3's being a massive popular one, and aqgree on like the Lotus's, like elises, and the vx220. Nissan cube, can't see that bing one, but this new nissan JUKE looks quite funky. kind of like a cross betweel the quashia, and a MINI. Mini's could be another shout.
Pretty much performance cars then folks. Excluding the Cube but I can see why you say that because it stands out a lot. @ Karlos looks like ill have to buy my valver back of my cousin and park it up for a few years I knew I shouldnt have sold it FFS !! What about audis TT or even Rockstars current A5 I was wondering in 20 years or more with Petrol I imagine being at a ridiculous premium will there come a time when proper fuel guzzling performance cars become increasingly rare to ever be driven
Cars today are generally more prevalent against rust and huge wear, so I think we'll see more them around in 20 years than the comparative Clio 16v/205 Gti/etc. In that respect, I think the ones which will be really popular in future are those that aren't really mass market sellers now - niche cars which you don't see thousands of on the road. The RS Focus (Mk1 and Mk2) for one, Nissan GTR, Z3M Coupes, Silvia S15, etc. Generally performance cars.
I think my car could fall into the same guise as the 205 GTi is in at the moment in 10-15 years time.
Yeah I always think of the V6 clio turning into a future classic. Imagine if they had made as many R5 Gordini's as there is V6 Clio's.
I would disagree with that. Car bodies are lasting better but there are so many complex electronics in them that they will be sent to scrap much sooner because people wont be able to afford to fix them. Old cars are kept alive by enthusiasts who work at them and tinker with them themselves to keep the cars going. The knowledge and expertise that is required to maintain an 80's hot hatch is at a much lower level than what is required to maintain a 00's hot hatch.
Well id say a MG ZT V8 is going to be pretty special. Only 800 odd examples and over 1/3 of them written off already. The toruer is the rarest, with only 30 production models ever made, they are about twice the price of a same spec saloon currently. So im REALLY gonna have to save for one. :lol:
Good point, but I would add that car enthusiasts are now having to learn some of these new ways of tinkering at these cars. I had an interesting conversation with a fairly well known BMW specialist last week who said that even as an enthusiast and not just as his line of work, he's done a few courses on engine management and diagnostics of electronic systems. I think in a few years and with the advancement of diagnostic units you can use at home, enthusiasts will have the option to learn more about these complicated systems on modern cars. The amount of literature and advice available on the internet alone is staggering. Of course knowing our luck, the useless governments we've all been lumbered with will have some directive in 20 years that all petrol performance cars of that age are totally scrapped so none of us will be able to enjoy them anyway ................
M3 mentioned a few times above and I certainly wouldnt mind a CSL. Does modern diagnostics once you have access to the software and understand it not make looking after a modern car easier ? The actual mechanics of engines have changed very little from my limited knowledge its simply the sensors and brains controlling fuelling etc that make them more complex.
Yea modern diagnostics make a problem easier to find but its the price of the replacement electronics that I think will be the problem. I don't run a modern car but you hear stories of boys paying thousands for ECU's for gearboxes or something similar that didn't have an ECU only a few years ago. I heard a story recently that a headlight for an A4 is £1000, that sort of thing will scrap a car at 10 years old.
Have been thinking about this too as I'd love to grab a few now while they're cheap/cleanish. This is what I reckon will be worth more in 20 years time than they are today: MK3 Fiesta RST Austin/Rover Metro GTa/i Corsa Sport Vectra GSi Calibra/Cavalier of any guise Jeep Cherokee (hopefully ) Jeep Wrangler Cordoba Coupe Saxo VTS 172/182 Clio MK4 Fiesta Zetec S MK5 Escort RS2000 MX5 (MK1) MK3 Golf GTi 16v MK4 Golf R32 Volvo 850T5 Calrton GSi 3000 E36 M3 E39 M5 Integra R RX8 I'd love to buy at the cheaper end and just stick it into a bubble somewhere and forget about it till I'm 50
The retro cars everyone will want (fuel permitting) will be pretty much the same models most of us currently dig. The ones making the big money will be the best of the unrestored, near showroom condition ones. The wild cards will be the sleepers, the screwed about with, the cars that have smaller followings and don't turn out so much at shows and the cars that nobody but nobody even bothered to look after and that few car enthusiasts had any interest in. Less interesting / poor selling cars in timewarp condition always have some value. Bug-eyed blue WRX's etc. are in plentiful supply at all the shows and usually immaculate but imagine if, in 20 years time you had to find a pre-facelift Fiat Multipla with everything working, low mileage, unscuffed paintwork and not looking like it had kids jumping in, out and all over it 24/7. Might be tricky. It's a relevant car because it's a bit of a design icon. Mint, unkitted, untuned UK spec. Twin Turbo Supra? Not that easy or cheap to find now compared to a chavva special! Standard RX-7 Efini? S13 200SXs are all being ****ed out now, too. (Yeah, there's some that are tastefully modified but how many that you wouldn't want to change in some way?) Back to Fiat, I could see good 20v Turbo Coupés picking up in value because they are bargain basement right now. I'd love to see the bubble burst on many of the current overpriced cars. Some of them aren't really that good, it's just that everyone wants the same thing, while other good and greater cars generally get ignored. I don't think the internet has helped. With magazines, at least the journalists get to drive a wide variety of cars and get paid to critique them in detail whereas online it's a free-for-all for every muppet with a dubious secondhand opinion based on hearsay. I tend to use the web for information but rarely for opinion except in a few cases. But I digress .. If I was going to tuck something away, confident that it would be a strong future investment, it would be a Lancia Delta Integrale Evo. Except I wouldn't! I'd be far too tempted just to use it as my daily driver! Snce they're left-hookers you can source them anywhere, not just the UK and sell them on anywhere. RHD cars are much less attractive to Europeans, just as LHD ones are less appealing to us ... but there are a lot more mainlanders out there. There are also cars that are cheap as chips over here but which sell for far more in their native lands. I'll let you do your own figuring on those ones.
A god integrale is already proper money and I love em. Cant imagine the price of one of these in the future. Unmolested Coswort bound to be up there too as if they arent hard enough already but then they arent really cars of the now. What about that Plastic lightweight megane job R26R or whatever it is they seem pretty rare.
Was gonna say that Paul, 26,000 now for a clean one of the last 'Grale evo 2's from Japan. In a few years time they will be worth a fortune. Pity most of them were built in Italy on a friday afternoon for as cheap as possible
A nice standard dc2 would be one in the future williams and valvers are becoming harder to source ones with low miles. Even the Peugeot rallye range are starting to become hard to find low millers. phase 1 172 possibly celica gt4