American muscle or Honda?

[Drift_Nut]

what are ur views on american muscle's and honda's?

1967 Shelby GT-500-Integra type R Dc2?
Mustang Boss-Honda civic type R ep3?

ect u get the pic

[cor5a_kid]

old american muscle would appeal more to me altho i do love both.

[DezzY-LawD]

Honda

Simply because they are more reliable and in my opinion look much better.

Also would be the price..You would pick up a Honda cheaper than most american cars.

They may have bigger engines but japs handling would be better

Just my opinion but I suppose that there will always be a disagreement

[Drift_Nut]

thanks 4 the comment

yea thts what i love old american but i do also like honda's ......... u da bie tht drives round lurgan in green polo yea?

[Coog]

American all the way...

[NineK]

I am almost Honda through and through

BUT

a DC2 vs a 67 Shelby Mustang

Perhaps your comparison charts are out of date, but the value alone on the two cars differs by around 100,000 pounds.

67 Mustang, whether a GT500, 350 or just a nice fastback every day of the week over a DC2

[Drift_Nut]

thanks 4 the comments lads

yea i like hondas but i prefer muscle much better looking, yes the price range of the 2 makes are way off the extra money is well worth it

[DaddyC]

Originally Posted by DezzY-LawD

They may have bigger engines but japs handling would be better

Dontforget that they may have 10l V15's, but you'd be sure they'd still only put out 250 bhp and weigh about 3 ton

[56oval]

are we comparing apples with err pom de terr'es.

having owned an ep3 type r from new for 3 years i would say it was probably the best value for money car ive ever had.

but having been out in my mates blown 725rwhp 67 manual with detroit locker, not much compares to stupid sh*t your pants dangerousness.

[cor5a_kid]

Originally Posted by Drift_Nut

thanks 4 the comment

yea thts what i love old american but i do also like honda's ......... u da bie tht drives round lurgan in green polo yea?

aye that'd would be me. or used to be me seeing as it's off the road for a rebuilt.

Who are you? sheamy?

[Drift_Nut]

Originally Posted by 56oval

but having been out in my mates blown 725rwhp 67 manual with detroit locker, not much compares to stupid sh*t your pants dangerousness.

so ur sayn civic yes best value for money but u cnt beat the sheer power and drop dead gawjus 67 ?

[NineK]

ben, glad we can count on your for valid input

Why the **** would anyone choose a rusty kit kat wrapper of a honda when they have a 67 fastback

No comparison either in looks, noise or ermmm, looks or ermm, noise. But then the mustang is a proper classic in my eyes.

[Drift_Nut]

Originally Posted by cor5a_kid

aye that'd would be me. or used to be me seeing as it's off the road for a rebuilt.

Who are you? sheamy?

nah man im dale . . . im mates wiv dee mc convilles wee bro dez . . . . . . i knw wheaten nal even if e is a homo

[DaddyC]

Unless you want to be chastised and just be know and Drift_, i suggest you drop the text speak as its not well looked upon here

[NineK]

[DezzY-LawD]

Originally Posted by cor5a_kid

used to be me seeing as it's off the road for a rebuilt.

Hows it coming on??

Did you see the drawing I did on the thread about needing pics of cars?

Not the best but atleast i tried

[Drift_Nut]

sorry about the text language guys i was just texted about it . . .im new to the forums and im useing my psp to reply at the minute hehe so its quite hard

[DaddyC]

Its ok, you may have gotten away with it and not have to kiss Coopers 'forgiveness stick'

[Paul RS]

I'd rather poke my eyes out than own either.

Plus why the one sided poll? Why not jap vs muscle? Why just honda?

Honda - You only think they are fast until you get a drive in a proper fast car. If any other manufacture made a car that revved to 8500, it'd have a lot more bhp and more torque - Vtak sucks.

Yank Tanks - 500000000000000cc, yet not very fast and can't go round corners.

[NineK]

tis alright, ^^^ the big man, he forgives you

[DezzY-LawD]

Originally Posted by DaddyC

Its ok, you may have gotten away with it and not have to kiss Coopers 'forgiveness stick'

Wonder what it tastes like

[Paul RS]

Originally Posted by DezzY-LawD

Wonder what it tastes like

Like a turd with burnt hair on it.

[NineK]

Originally Posted by Paul RS

I'd rather poke my eyes out than own either.

there are times i would agree

Originally Posted by Paul RS

Plus why the one sided poll? Why not jap vs muscle? Why just honda?

Good point, however, i believe it is down to the fact he likes both Hondas and Yank Tanks. Might have picked that up a few posts up ^^^

Originally Posted by Paul RS

Honda - You only think they are fast until you get a drive in a proper fast car. If any other manufacture made a car that revved to 8500, it'd have a lot more bhp and more torque - Vtak sucks.

Agreed, they are quick for what they are, but by no means are they "fast cars"

Would have to disagree with the latter half of that statement though. Toyota, perhaps have done so with the NZR-halfthealphabet 1.6 engine, but its not the worlds most reliable engine. Ford and Vauxhall wont produce them, not due to lack of technology but down to the fact their engine design and build just isnt up to scratch. As ford required a turbo to produce 130hp from the RST, Honda were producing 150+ from the B16 in the CRX and it handled infinitely better. Before you begin in a responding arguement make sure it is relative

Originally Posted by Paul RS

Yank Tanks - 500000000000000cc, yet not very fast and can't go round corners.

but still, the noise is just epic

[Audi_TTS]

Ive test drove a few hondas and hated every one. The S2000 agnews let me drive had a roof like a nervous priest in Antrims serious crime unit and rattled too much. Put me off for life and the lenght of time the V tec took to actually excite me was measured in hair growth and not seconds as it should be.

The missus has a 2.2 civic oil burner that is a great car considering she does 100 miles a day to and from work.

I just dont get the V tec as a daily driver. Totally useless.

American musckles for moi

[NineK]

The 2.2 CTDI's are fantastic cars

although, without sounding like a fanboy, the vtec unit concept was an ideal design for daily use.

below 5k you have a wee shopping car, run about town, not overly quick, and returns fairly good mileage for fuel useage.

then the weekend comes, you nick the keys off the missus (make sure the oil is topped up) and go for a razz.

Admittedly it is a totally different way of driving to most NA and turbo'd cars as you must rely on revs as opposed to torque, as such some people find this doesnt suit them at all.

Much in the same way i cant bring myself to own a ford despite how many good models they have made over the years, i just cant do it. Something about them just slaps me in the face and shouts wise the **** up

[DezzY-LawD]

I couldn't really talk about personal expierences of driving. Only 15

But have been a passenger in an ek9, ep3, dc2 and have to say that i love when the vtec pushes you back into the seat and screams to the other drivers on the road.

Never been in a muscle car but have seen a few. They do sound really good but there is no changing my mind when i hear Jap

[Audi_TTS]

agree ninek - But for drivers who like to maybe get to 30 in a couple of seconds while wipping about town vtec is not a great toy IMO. Horses for courses though.

The new Focus in the lime green livery is surely a temptation no??

[Audi_TTS]

Originally Posted by DezzY-LawD

I couldn't really talk about personal expierences of driving. Only 15

But have been a passenger in an ek9, ep3, dc2 and have to say that i love when the vtec pushes you back into the seat and screams to the other drivers on the road.

Never been in a muscle car but have seen a few. They do sound really good but there is no changing my mind when i hear Jap

Youre not from Poleglass then lol!!!

[NineK]

Originally Posted by Audi_TTS

agree ninek - But for drives who like to maybe get to 30 in a couple of seconds while wipping about town vtec is not a great toy IMO. Horses for courses though.

The new Focus in the lime green livery is surely a temptation no??

agreed, if i wanna get somewhere in a hurry, i would rob the other halfs 225 TT

so easy to rake in the mileage and get across town unnoticed, etc etc.

But for some reason i am hooked on that other jap ****e mentioned above

[56oval]

i disagree with the v-tak arguement, i was doing 75 miles each way every day in the ep3 for 3 years got regular 30 mpg and was quick enough for a grin, ok somedays she would feel flat as a pancake but air quality and fuel would be a factor, other times she would fly. 70k miles on her iirc 10.5 comp on pump gas with zero failures or defects. for a capable hatch at the time that was just shy of 16k there was no argument to be had.

Originally Posted by Drift_Nut

so ur sayn civic yes best value for money but u cnt beat the sheer power and drop dead gawjus 67 ?

not really, the stang cost upwards of 60k to build (labour of love) my mate picked it up for 25k a good few years back.
with cars like that value for money doesnt even come into the equation, same as throwing that kind of money at an evo/scooby or even a honda.
its not about the money, its about the whole experience, the stripping of the car, the nights in the garage, the immense headaches, the sleepless nights, the joy of resolving problems and finally getting it out paint and screwing it back together, the final roll out of workshop and hitting the loud pedal.

throwing some coils, an induction kit and some wheels on a banzai vtec isnt my idea of a labour of love, but it is for others, whatever floats your boat, but like i said, your subject matter doesnt make for an easy comparrison.